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First Lady Melania Trump says she supports survivors of sexual assault and thinks they “need to be heard,” but also asserts that they must have “really hard evidence” to support their accusations.

Good Morning America aired a segment of an upcoming ABC special that follows Melania on her jaunt through Africa. During a sit-down interview with ABC’s Tom Llamas, Melania attempted to advocate for survivors, but made it clear that her support is conditional.

LLAMAS: What is your take about the #MeToo Movement, though? Do you believe in them? Do you support the #MeToo Movement?

MELANIA: I support the women and they need to be heard. We need to support them, and also men, not just women.

LLAMAS: Do you think men in the news that have been accused of sexual assault, sexual harassment, have been treated unfairly?

MELANIA: You need to have really hard evidence. If you accuse [someone] of something, show the evidence.

LLAMAS: Someone might hear that and say, “How could you say that Mrs. Trump? You need to stand with women.” What would you say?

MELANIA: I do stand with women. But we need to show the evidence. You cannot just say to somebody “I was sexually assaulted” or “you did that to me” because sometimes the media goes too far. And the way they portray some stories is not correct, it’s not right.

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The strange, last-minute veer into fake-news territory aside, Melania seems uncaring of the fact that most sexual assaults are impossible to corroborate by traditional means of evidence gathering. The expectation of the kind of proof that unravels like an episode of Law and Order: Special Victims Unit silences survivors who worry their truth will never be sufficient.

Melania was similarly cavalier on Saturday when asked whether she agrees with President Trump’s notion that the sexual assault allegations against Supreme Court Justice Brett Kavanaugh reflected a “tough time for men.”

From CNN:

“I would say if we’re talking about the Supreme Court and Judge Kavanaugh, I think he’s highly qualified for the Supreme Court. I’m glad that Dr. Ford was heard, I’m glad that Judge Kavanaugh was heard. FBI investigation was done, is completed and Senate voted,” Trump said while speaking with reporters in front of the Sphinx in Egypt during her first major solo trip abroad.

The first lady also would not say if she believed Ford’s allegations against Kavanaugh.

“I will move on that and I think that all the victims they need — we need to help all the victims no matter what kind of abuse they had, but I am against any kind of abuse or violence,” she said.

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There’s a difference between being heard and being listened to. When it comes to survivors making accusations—whether against Kavanaugh or her own husband—Melania seems pretty comfortable with that differentiation.